TORONTO - Mayor Rob Ford still can't explain what he meant when he suggested changing Canada's immigration laws to keep those convicted of gun crimes out of Toronto.

Ford unexpectedly went on NEWSTALK 1010 Thursday night to address comments he's made about wanting to talk to Prime Minister Stephen Harper about changing immigration laws in the wake of the shooting in the east end on Monday that left two people dead and 23 others injured.

When he called in to the show Friendly Fire on NEWSTALK 1010, Ford tried to explain his stance to hosts John Downs and Ryan Doyle but ended up further demonstrating he doesn't fully grasp the role of Immigration and Citizenship Canada.

"I have called the prime minister to find out if there is any laws with respect to the immigration and citizenship status in the city," Ford told the hosts. "So if people are caught, I don't care if you're white, pink or purple, I don't care what country you're from, I don't care if you're a Canadian citizen or not, all I'm saying is if you're caught with a gun and convicted of a gun crime, I want you out of this city."

Ford then got into a lengthy back and forth over whether this would fall under the purview of Immigration and Citizenship Canada, particularly when the gun crime was committed by Canadian citizens.

"OK, whoever it may be, that's what I'm saying. Maybe I'm not an expert on, you know, the ministries," Ford told the hosts. "But all I'm saying is if it is foreign affairs or if it is immigration and citizenship, I want to talk to the PMO and find out if we can - and maybe we can't - but I'm just trying to clarify that if you're caught with a gun and convicted of a gun crime, I do not want you living in this city anymore.

"And to find out that information you have to go through the PMO and that's what I'm doing. I'm not an expert in this but I'm trying to resolve the issue that is at hand here."

Earlier Thursday, Ford told QMI Agency he simply meant he wants to be able to kick people who are convicted of gun crimes out of the city.

"Are they allowed to stay here? Anyone, I don't care if you're an immigrant or not, if you get caught with a gun, I want to find out the legalities of are you allowed to stay here or are you not," Ford said in an interview Thursday afternoon. "I'm sure it falls under some sort of immigration law, maybe it doesn't, but I'm going to find out through the prime minister what we can do."

On the radio show, Ford said people have asked him why gun-toting criminals are living in Toronto.

"No matter who they are, I don't care if you're Canadian born, I don't care if you're a Canadian citizen, I don't care if you're an immigrant, I don't care if you're a refugee. It doesn't matter to me. If you're convicted of a gun crime, I do not want you living in this city," Ford said.

Downs wrapped up the interview by acknowledging Ford failed to clarify his comments.

"I'm still a little confused but I appreciate you calling," he said.