TORONTO - Toronto Mayor Rob Ford will ask Premier Dalton McGuinty Monday for $5 million to $10 million to hire more police officers amid a spike in gun violence in the city.

Ford is due to meet with McGuinty and Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair Monday afternoon at Queen's Park for the "Summit of the Gun."

The meeting comes a week after gunfire erupted at a Scarborough block party killing two and injuring 23 others.

"I will be asking for a minimum of $5 million or as much as $10 million, something that is realistic," Ford said during an interview Monday on AM640 with Lorne Honickman. "I can't go in there asking for $20 or $25 (million) because obviously I know they don't have it and it is just not realistic.

"I think $5 million would hire a lot of officers and it would make this city a lot safer and we would get these guns and gangs off our streets, and that is exactly what I want."

Ford said the request for more TAVIS (Toronto Anti-Violence Intervention Strategy) officers will be his "first ask" to the premier when they meet.

Questioned if he was optimistic about the meeting, Ford said he wants to "stop all the rhetoric and small talk" and won't tolerate any "BS."

"Money talks and BS walks, I'm not going to sit there and listen to some BS and some reports and yadda yadda," Ford said. "I've got a busy city to run, I'm going to go in there, I'm going to ask for $5 million to $10 million, and I want to be able to give that to Chief Blair and tell the chief, 'go hire police officers and let's get the city cleaned up.'"

The mayor was under fire last week for his objection to, as he calls them, "hug-a-thug" programs as a way to curb gun violence.

Ford told Honickman he simply wants to be able to measure "the success of these programs."

"How do you measure this stuff? You're throwing a lot of money at it but at the end of the day you can't measure exactly how many people are being helped by that," Ford said. "I'm just saying I don't want to throw good money after bad and just say, you know, we're going to throw money at the problem."

Asked about a ban on guns, Ford doubted gangsters would abide by a ban.

"The gang members aren't going to turn in their guns," Ford said.